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Fire of Prometheus
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Posted - 2013.11.26 20:17:00 -
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Step 1: remove all damage mods from the game
Step 2: make any logi fitting have a max of 1 unfilled equipment slot. (Ie. all but one equipment a lot must be filled for the fitting to be valid)
Step 3: give each assault suit a Dmg bonus to their racial weapon. (Similar to the amarr assaults bonus)
Boom done. Ttk is raised. # of murder logis goes down (not sure how much but it's a start) and assaults get a decent bonus. Problem solved.
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Fire of Prometheus
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Posted - 2013.11.26 22:51:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:Trey Hardin wrote:Only post I have seen that is fair for all Disagree. What will armor tankers like me put in their high slots? Myofibrils? Precision enhancers?
As mentioned this highlights the need for more modules but you could put shield extenders on and brick tank or do what you mentioned.
These are just ideas so feel free to make adjustments to them.
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Fire of Prometheus
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Posted - 2013.11.26 22:52:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Llast 326 wrote:Awry Barux wrote:Trey Hardin wrote:Only post I have seen that is fair for all Disagree. What will armor tankers like me put in their high slots? Myofibrils? Precision enhancers? Well this highlights that we need more modules. Such as?
Armour hardeners (maybe just a thought), more stuff :p
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Fire of Prometheus
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Posted - 2013.11.27 01:26:00 -
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Lots of good points raised but once we get more high slot modules, than I think it will be a more appropriate time to do step 1.
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Fire of Prometheus
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Posted - 2013.11.27 13:17:00 -
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bear90211 wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Step 1: remove all damage mods from the game
Step 2: make any logi fitting have a max of 1 unfilled equipment slot. (Ie. all but one equipment a lot must be filled for the fitting to be valid)
Step 3: give each assault suit a Dmg bonus to their racial weapon. (Similar to the amarr assaults bonus)
Boom done. Ttk is raised. # of murder logis goes down (not sure how much but it's a start) and assaults get a decent bonus. Problem solved. :( my logi suit will suckthen :( i use nothing but PRO equips for my logi logi, and I can get a 1 man orbi in an ambush with my logi points, and I have to leave a few slots empty because of the PG and CPU ussage, I would buff the logi PG by 10% or reduce the ADV to PRO stats of modules, or keep themaround the same PG and CPU as the active scanner is,(9PG for almost all of them.)
Nothing restricts you from running proto equipment, you must have all but 1 equipment slot filled. A logi is supposed not supposed to replace the assault class and that's what's happening. My suggestions would make assaults more "assault" oriented and would make logis less "assault" oriented.
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Fire of Prometheus
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Posted - 2013.11.27 13:41:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Inb4 nerftard brigade comes in with "but you can just use compact nanos and still be murderlogis"
That would be the only loophole to this but because Dmg mods would be removed they would just fill their highs (for the time being) with shield related modules (most likely) and thus reducing the ttk and lowering the #of murderlogi logis because they can no longer pump out 1k Dmg from 70+ m with a duvolle.
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Fire of Prometheus
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Posted - 2013.11.27 15:53:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Eh. Would be a bigger benefit to shield tankers and probably do litle to address the discrepancy between same race assault/logi suits compared to medium frames, which as we all know is the real problem.
Plus, DMG mods are a bit overrated, IMO. If you do the math, stacking 3 actually makes little sense, for example, compared to a complex shield mod.
Step #3 give assaults better bonuses like the amarr assault bonus :)
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Fire of Prometheus
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Posted - 2013.11.27 16:51:00 -
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Kazeno Rannaa wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Step 1: remove all damage mods from the game
Step 2: make any logi fitting have a max of 1 unfilled equipment slot. (Ie. all but one equipment a lot must be filled for the fitting to be valid)
Step 3: give each assault suit a Dmg bonus to their racial weapon. (Similar to the amarr assaults bonus)
Boom done. Ttk is raised. # of murder logis goes down (not sure how much but it's a start) and assaults get a decent bonus. Problem solved. I see the herd poisoned minds have drunken the cool aide again.
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Fire of Prometheus
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:05:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:Eh. Would be a bigger benefit to shield tankers and probably do litle to address the discrepancy between same race assault/logi suits compared to medium frames, which as we all know is the real problem.
Plus, DMG mods are a bit overrated, IMO. If you do the math, stacking 3 actually makes little sense, for example, compared to a complex shield mod. Step #3 give assaults better bonuses like the amarr assault bonus :) Now we're talking. I love my amarr assault suit but it's only at level 2, getting a 4th suit to ADV level is taxing...
Lol yup, I noticed that most of the assault suits have nearly pointless bonuses (IMO at least) so I thought why not model the bonuses after the amarr assault bonus?
I haven't come up with some amazing ideas but here is what I was thinking:
Caldari: get a range bonus
Gallente: get a dispersion reduction (the gallente AR is getting a range nerf so this won't affect the gun at longer ranges)
Minmatar: I haven't come up with a good bonus for minmatar yet but I was thinking something similar to their current assault bonus (increased clip size)
Personally I'm a little unsure about the gallente bonus, I'm trying to think of one that would suit the CQC brawlers that they are
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Fire of Prometheus
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:12:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Step 1: remove all damage mods from the game
Step 2: make any logi fitting have a max of 1 unfilled equipment slot. (Ie. all but one equipment a lot must be filled for the fitting to be valid)
Step 3: give each assault suit a Dmg bonus to their racial weapon. (Similar to the amarr assaults bonus)
Boom done. Ttk is raised. # of murder logis goes down (not sure how much but it's a start) and assaults get a decent bonus. Problem solved. I like step 1, a sunny day 
Let's face it, Dmg mods made this game a cod clone since 1.6
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Fire of Prometheus
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:16:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Step 1: remove all damage mods from the game
Step 2: make any logi fitting have a max of 1 unfilled equipment slot. (Ie. all but one equipment a lot must be filled for the fitting to be valid)
Step 3: give each assault suit a Dmg bonus to their racial weapon. (Similar to the amarr assaults bonus)
Boom done. Ttk is raised. # of murder logis goes down (not sure how much but it's a start) and assaults get a decent bonus. Problem solved. I like step 1, a sunny day Let's face it, Dmg mods made this game a cod clone since 1.6 Damage mods make scouts die in 0.1 sec instead of 0.8 secs.
Indeed, it's dumb when one player (1) can take out an entire squad using a duvolle with 3-4 complex Dmg mods and they are pumping out 1k+ Dmg every half a clip.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it."
-Aristotle
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Fire of Prometheus
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:31:00 -
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PADDEHATPIGEN wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Step 1: remove all damage mods from the game
Step 2: make any logi fitting have a max of 1 unfilled equipment slot. (Ie. all but one equipment a lot must be filled for the fitting to be valid)
Step 3: give each assault suit a Dmg bonus to their racial weapon. (Similar to the amarr assaults bonus)
Boom done. Ttk is raised. # of murder logis goes down (not sure how much but it's a start) and assaults get a decent bonus. Problem solved. That would NOT fix the problem, it would make it even worse. 1 of my murder logi fit's. 5 X Complex shield extender. 4 X Enhanced armor plate. 3 X Compact nanohive. 1 X Flux grenade. 1 X Carthum assault scrambler rifle. Stats: CPU: 458/459 PG: 102/102 Shield: 588 HP. Armor: 596 HP. Stamina: 115. Stamina recovery rate: 12.00. Shield recharge rate: 20. Armor repair rate: 3. (im still only lvl 3, at lvl 5, its 5) Movement speed: 4.33. Sprint speed: 6.06. Melee damage: 110. 1.184 EHP. Proto weapon. Nano's for self reps and ammo. As you can se i dont use any dmg mods on this fit, but it is still a MURDER LOGI.
You get down to 120 armour, 2 compact nanohives used up to rep you/resupply, you get taken out again, hide plop down 3 (and final) compact hive. Reps you a bit, boom gone, no more nanohives. I'm assuming your using a callogi cause they are the only ones that can dual tank better than an amarr logi (the rightful dual tankers of the game btw) so you'll run to a supply depot or respawn (unlikely) and swap fits for a few seconds to get your nanos back but by then. The enemy has over run your position = you dead.
See were I'm going? Ttk is raised, people will always murder logi, but this is where step 3 comes in. If assault suits had a better bonus than logis, why would people use the logi suit to assault? Think about it for a sec.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it."
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Fire of Prometheus
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Posted - 2013.11.27 21:29:00 -
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Bump for more feedback
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Fire of Prometheus
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Posted - 2013.11.27 21:56:00 -
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Adelia Lafayette wrote:I'd rather have range amplification mods over damage mods. Assault suit bonuses do need tweaked/ improved. the various weapons need damaged reduced to lower ttk over all, but its not the same % for every weapon making a balance nightmare. Equipment is too useful not to fill those slots so I don't think forcing them to be filled will change logi much.
Precisely. Step #2 won't affect true logis. The Dmg mod thing has pretty much ruined the game, I rarely see a person not stacking Dmg mods. You can tell who is by looking at the shield remaining of the guy who killed you. Compare it to the base shields of the suit and using distance you can judge wether or not they would have been in the middle of the combat.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it."
-Aristotle
I'll take your Iskies
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